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| StevensElectronicAccount |
Posted: April 01, 2011 02:19 am
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Are there other ways of making a cathode emit electrons then heating it up?
These could lead to alternative kinds of vacuum tubes. P.S. Emissions of any kind of negative or positive particles would work. What about the emission of protons or other things? |
| CWB |
Posted: April 01, 2011 02:53 am
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hmmm ... a proton tube .
i don't think i would want to be in the same room with it . this topic was touched on in another thread ... way in the past and the recent past . tim mentioned that the (basically speaking) that the emission density and actual "work" (emmision) that could be had with radioactive materials would be very low . -------------------- "Know how to solve every problem that has been solved"
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| ChipUser |
Posted: April 01, 2011 02:53 pm
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photoelectric effect and the secondary emmisions such as in photomultiplier tubes?
Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_arc This post has been edited by ChipUser on April 01, 2011 03:02 pm |
| draget |
Posted: April 01, 2011 03:43 pm
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Cold cathode tubes exist - e.g. CCFLs don't have heated cathodes.
Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission |
| tekwiz |
Posted: April 01, 2011 09:23 pm
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There was also work done on tube tech using carbon nanotubes as cathodes. Any sharp point will bleed electrons if there's enough voltage on it. CNTs are so tiny that the required voltages can be quite low, & can be used in a layer consisting of an enomous number points.
I don't know what ever became of this concept. -------------------- Trouble rather the tiger in his lair, than the sage among his books.
For to you, kings & armies are things mighty & enduring. To him, mere toys of the moment, to be overturned at the flick of a finger. Fortuna favet fortibus. |
| AdamO |
Posted: April 01, 2011 11:01 pm
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As I understand it, electrons get emitted from something when they have enough energy to break loose. The only two ways I am aware of to give them such energy is (1) to heat them up and (2) to put them at high potential. Maybe there are other ways though.
-Adam O. |
| ChipUser |
Posted: April 02, 2011 04:16 am
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The presence of microphonics when wires are moved or boards are tapped may indicate that hammering also must be able to dislodge sufficient electons
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| AdamO |
Posted: April 02, 2011 04:54 am
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I hear they fall out when you shake hard enough too |
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| Sch3mat1c |
Posted: April 05, 2011 02:44 pm
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Interesting statement; I wonder just how much centripetal force is necessary to liberate electrons. Probably way more than that required to liberate ions from the substrate, i.e., the electrons are thousands of times lighter than the atoms they cling to, and are held with about the same energy (2-10eV work potential for most materials, vs. 5-20eV binding energy in the crystal lattice). In other words, the solid will rip apart in shreds before you get anything charged. More likely, the friction (triboelectricity) of the rotor in contact with stray gas molecules (since this would obviously have to be done in a vacuum!) would liberate more charge.
Tim -------------------- Answering questions is a tricky subject to practice. Not due to the difficulty of formulating or locating answers, but due to the human inability of asking the right questions; a skill that, were one to possess, would put them in the "answering" category.
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| tekwiz |
Posted: April 05, 2011 07:41 pm
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Ok, but what if you spin a beta emitting substance? -------------------- Trouble rather the tiger in his lair, than the sage among his books.
For to you, kings & armies are things mighty & enduring. To him, mere toys of the moment, to be overturned at the flick of a finger. Fortuna favet fortibus. |
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| The Observer |
Posted: April 11, 2011 11:24 pm
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Here are some microwave/RF based sources for accelerators:
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1334988?ln=en http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1078804?ln=en http://users.jyu.fi/~tvkalvas/publications...ib06_kalvas.pdf http://www.lbl.gov/tt/publications/2744pub1.pdf |
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