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Fallingwater
Posted: November 16, 2010 01:43 pm
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QUOTE (kl27x @ November 15, 2010 11:28 pm)
If you are talking congested city streets and backed up highways, then take the car!

Hell no. Congested traffic is one of the times in which riding is most practical, and fun too. I get a deep sense of inner satisfaction when I overtake entire lines of cars laugh.gif also, you're completely immune to rush periods during vacation days. While the four-wheel-plodders wake up early so they can travel without getting completely stuck you just wake up whenever you feel like it, get on the bike and go. I've done this several times, and the end result is always the same: I arrive at my destination relaxed, happy and on time, while everyone else (none of my other friends ride motorbikes sad.gif ) gets there irritated, tired, generally cranky and incredibly late.

I've also become adept at slaloming my ER-6F through traffic, though I only do it when it's moving slowly - the risk becomes way too high when speed picks up. The acceleration really helps - I can get in tight spaces before the cars around me have time to occupy them.


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Posted: November 16, 2010 08:53 pm
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You sound like a jerk of a motorcycle rider. Law says stay in your lane...

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Posted: November 17, 2010 01:40 am
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Thats exactly what I was thinking...
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Posted: November 17, 2010 03:31 am
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eh, i dunno where you guys are all from. but i can say with certainty that its expected for 2 wheelers to get in and out of traffic like that in belgium and much of the surrounding area. One of the rare times i've seen police on the highway was in construction traffic. Fellow on a BMW 1200RT was sitting in line with the cars, the police put down the window and spoke to him. He was the only cycle NOT splitting the lanes.

Granted, there seems to be a pretty strong unwritten understanding and respect between all motorists out here as far as how you act on the road. And I wouldnt dare go out and ride like that today. But in a few months I likely will. Its not only accepted here, its expected.

Plus is isnt illegal either


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so today I was supposed to ride the Sprint GT, and the Tiger. It rained 2/3rds of the day. In the morning it was nice out, but still very wet from last night sad.gif

Tomorrow I am driving to the other side of the mountains in North Carolina to ensure I get away from the weather, and riding a Tiger at a different dealer. I do not know if they have a GT demo bike as well. If they do, I will ride it. Along with anything else in that area that strikes my fancy smile.gif
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Posted: November 17, 2010 07:25 am
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Cutting between lanes of traffic is pretty much illegal in the US, except in California, of all places. So the most I get away with is squeezing past cars when making a right turn at a red light. If it were legal, then I certainly would be doing it where safe. At least we get to use the carpool lane.

The reasons I wouldn't personally use my VFR as primary transport in order of importance are:
1. Safety. I just don't want to be in high alert mode all the time. Sometimes I want to be an oblivious slug like all the other drivers.
2. Privacy. This is weird, but I get irritated by the lack of privacy, of all things. With a car, you bring your own personal space with you. Long rides on a motorcycle leave me feeling like a mouse in an open field with hawks circling overhead. I feel... exposed.
3. Cargo space
4. Time: pulliing on/off gloves, helmet, and chain lock. This sucks if you just want to go down to the corner store and back.
5. Comfort is a relatively minor issue. I have ridden my bike as much as 12 hours at a time. I admit that was no fun, but this had as much to do with reason #2 as it did with physical comfort. But there was a stretch where I regularly pulled a 45 minute commute on it, always choosing it over the car. The roads were simply amazing for it. (The wide open, sweeping 12-lane Chicago "autobahns" where you can usually go 120mph in relative safety, which puts you just a healthy smidge past the speed of traffic. But on the last day of the month you'll get pulled over for doing 70. smile.gif)

The main pro for a motorcycle as primary transport is you never have to clean out the trash!
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Posted: November 17, 2010 11:25 pm
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QUOTE (Sch3mat1c @ November 16, 2010 08:53 pm)
You sound like a jerk of a motorcycle rider. Law says stay in your lane...

I understand why you'd think this, but it's obvious you've never experienced European traffic, much less Italian traffic. In large cities, having a two-wheeled vehicle is not just something you add to your life for fun - it's absolutely essential, otherwise it takes you less time to move around on foot than in a car. And the reason it's so essential is because our roads are narrow and bendy and generally a huge mess, so at those times of day when people are active there are traffic jams everywhere. People who use mopeds, scooters, and motorbikes as primary transportation do so precisely because they can avoid traffic by squeezing in narrow spaces where a car wouldn't fit and slaloming all over the place.

My behaviour may be bad for your standards, but for Italian standards it's practically exemplary. Other people on two-wheeled vehicles are much worse than me as far as traffic slaloming and such is concerned. For instance: I only do this when it's relatively safe and speed is slow enough to make it sensible, but there are people who always overtake, at any speed, just because they can.

Tell ya what, when it stops raining I'll duct-tape my digicam on my helmet and go for a ride during rush hour, so you can have a clear picture of the situation. laugh.gif


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Posted: November 18, 2010 01:27 am
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FW - DOOO IIIIT!!! smile.gif

Ok, so I rode the Sprint GT and the Tiger today. Verdict: If there was any doubt that I wanted the Tiger before, it has been totally removed. The GT is definately more of a tourer than the ST, longer base, better ergo's. But it still didnt compare to the Tiger. IMO they are identical performance wise, but I expected no less considering its the same motor. The Tiger although it has naked sides, is just too damn comfortable to ride.

And a comment to the Triumph triple motors in general(at least the 1050)... wow, good lord it is smooth. It pulls and pulls and pulls, and doesnt care how high or low you are in the rpm band
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Posted: November 18, 2010 05:30 am
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QUOTE (Fallingwater @ November 17, 2010 05:25 pm)
QUOTE (Sch3mat1c @ November 16, 2010 08:53 pm)
You sound like a jerk of a motorcycle rider.  Law says stay in your lane...

I understand why you'd think this, but it's obvious you've never experienced European traffic, much less Italian traffic.

Oh, I have absolutely no intention or desire to endanger myself on your roads. It's a miracle anyone gets on or off them without losing appendages. laugh.gif

My older brother spent four years at the naval base in Sicily. I'm not sure how, but he also got used to driving in the chaos!

I know that European roads are considerably narrower, and the population density much higher, plus Italians are lazy. tongue.gif Street signs are suggestions...

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Posted: November 18, 2010 07:05 am
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QUOTE (paulmasoner @ November 18, 2010 01:27 am)
IMO they are identical performance wise, but I expected no less considering its the same motor.

The Tiger's engine is actually detuned a fair bit. I assume this is to give it more torque at lower revs.


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Posted: November 18, 2010 02:26 pm
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QUOTE (Fallingwater @ November 18, 2010 07:05 am)
QUOTE (paulmasoner @ November 18, 2010 01:27 am)
IMO they are identical performance wise, but I expected no less considering its the same motor.

The Tiger's engine is actually detuned a fair bit. I assume this is to give it more torque at lower revs.

I've read the same, but you must have to really get on it to tell. Something I was comfortable doing
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Posted: November 20, 2010 08:25 pm
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I was test riding another Tiger yesterday, taking it home to show dad. Car pulled out in front of me, hit me almost head on. broke tib or fib, cant remember. destroyed all the knee, ACL, LCL, MCL etc.

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Posted: November 20, 2010 08:35 pm
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Ah dude. Insured I hope... sad.gif


@Mods: Why was this topic moved from General Discussion? No one is designing/building anything, or even discussing how something works. It makes no sense. blink.gif


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Posted: November 21, 2010 04:30 am
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yeah the lady had insurance, as do I. Much surgery and rehab in myfuture.

good things are that as I went over the handlebars/hood i did a full flip and landed legs first, not head. and it looks like i'll be having an extended visit at home
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Posted: November 21, 2010 06:24 am
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Holy crap, what bad luck sad.gif I'm very sorry to hear this... I hope everything goes fine with your legs sad.gif


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Posted: November 21, 2010 06:37 am
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Aww. Man. Sorry to hear about your accident.

I dont even know you, but I know your pain.

Be REAL careful with the pain meds. The damage they can do can outlast the physical damage.

Hopefully you can get a nice settlement and retire to a nice well-stocked bench.

You are quite lucky to full-flip.

Head first could have been so-much-worse.

I ate a windsheild (from the outside-in) and because I was wearing a helmet that was too big, I saved my neck and only wrecked my collar. That was a lucky incident. It started with me making fun of a big-headed friend of mine. I was wearing his helmet making jokes. I kept it on when I went to ride.

It is amazing how things turn out.

Just watch the meds bro.


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Posted: November 21, 2010 10:52 am
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Thanks FW and retched. I am trying to not take the meds at all except to sleep, I dont really care for taking drugs because I have to. There wont be any settlement though. Insurance will take care of me and all, but I couldnt do that for an honest mistake/accident. Were the factors different it may be another story
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Posted: November 21, 2010 11:22 am
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No windfall perhaps, but you should get something beyond basic medical coverage since the accident wasn't your fault. If nothing else, lost wages and some percentage of permanent disability with the knee (which will grow more problematic as you get older).

That's what insurance companies get paid for. beer.gif


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Posted: November 21, 2010 06:50 pm
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QUOTE (MacFromOK @ November 21, 2010 11:22 am)
No windfall perhaps, but you should get something beyond basic medical coverage since the accident wasn't your fault. If nothing else, lost wages and some percentage of permanent disability with the knee (which will grow more problematic as you get older).

That's what insurance companies get paid for. beer.gif

thankfully since i'm military i wont loose wages etc. if there is(reality, likely will be) any disability, i should be able to work that with the military first before i'd go that route with the lady/insurance. Its not that i refuse to consider that, I just dont want to pursue that route unless its necessary
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Posted: November 22, 2010 12:44 am
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Just realize you're not helping the lady, you're helping her insurance company (her rates will probably go up anyway because she was at fault). Your call.

Either way, here's hoping you get back in the best physical shape possible. beer.gif


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Posted: November 22, 2010 03:58 am
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thanks, i see the surgeon in the morning, i'll know more then smile.gif
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Posted: November 22, 2010 06:37 am
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QUOTE (paulmasoner @ November 21, 2010 10:52 am)
Thanks FW and retched.  I am trying to not take the meds at all except to sleep, I dont really care for taking drugs because I have to.  There wont be any settlement though.  Insurance will take care of me and all, but I couldnt do that for an honest mistake/accident.  Were the factors different it may be another story

I might agree if a settlement would hurt the lady, but she'll see practically no difference. Insurance pays for this stuff... get the settlement if you can, more money always helps. If nothing else it'll help pay for a bike when you get back on your feet, assuming you'll still be interested in riding. smile.gif


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Posted: November 22, 2010 10:23 pm
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Saw the knee specialist this morning. Did some more scans and talked. Confirmed I have one good and multiple minor fractures of the leg bones all around the knee area. Also destroyed all of the ligaments and connective tissue in the knee except for the MCL. The ACL, LCL, and much of the minor stuff is totally severed(bit worse than I thought). I'm going to have surgery in 10-14 days followed by up to 3 months of immobilization and bedrest. Then either a second surgery or straight into a long rehab. I was told for this severity of injury and surgery, 50/50 odds of making a full recovery to normal knee status.
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Posted: November 22, 2010 10:49 pm
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Argh, sounds like a long row to hoe. I'm no doctor (lol, not even friends with one), but those are better odds than I expected. Hopefully everything will work out.

Ya gonna have internet access during recovery? beer.gif


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I should. I am basically bed ridden at home right now, and seems I will be during surgery recovery as well. so at least I can continue filling my head with useless information wink.gif
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Well there ya go. Maybe we can help babysit annoy entertain ya. beer.gif


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