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Posted: July 22, 2008 12:19 am
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my gf comes home with a few books from time to time . she has found some great reference manuals and others along the technical line ... seeings how this is a college town . retired professors , machinists etc etc ... much of their stuff is to be found at estate sales and the "goodwill stores" .

back to the gist of the matter ...
she brought home a book : "the anti-gravity handbook" by david childress ... i have read a few pages and it has already raised my eyebrow and given me cause to giggle . it seems to be a book that references and builds upon the work of "experts" in this and related fields .

ya know , i really try to keep an open mind ... but ... i don't know whether to chuck it or continue reading it for the sake of amusement .
some of the stuff is absolute "junk science" .

has anybody else here had any dealings with such material ?


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Posted: July 22, 2008 12:39 am
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I actually come down on the pro-gravity side of this issue... biggrin.gif


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Posted: July 22, 2008 01:05 am
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Yup. Was (is?) a guy named Tom Beardon IIRC even before the net. I'd like to say he was a wack job but reading his shite made me think he's just a piece of turd scammer. Sold plans for his crap mail order long ago, $150 for an anti grav umbrella and the like.

The 'science' wasn't even wrong - it was simply totally incomplete. "some sort of' semiconductor material is a phrase that I actually remember. He also claimed that gravity was a result of an invisible sun at 90 degrees to our own and cancelling the (waves?) from the other sun would allow levitation. Utter drivel.

I still find it amazing that he ever made a dollar - or why I didn't as I could have at least came up with more convincing pseudo science - but he did. probably still at it unless the oil companies got him laugh.gif .

Funny, MSN news featured a bunch of vids circulating that they claimed were BS a few days ago. Frankly, I had actually bought a few of them because , well, there was no glaring reason not to. I ended up looking into each in turn amazed at the story behind them - one in fact was a TV ad that had never been oficially released of all things laugh.gif

i guess where i'm going is that we really are hard wired for seeing is believing, and perhaps we want to believe some things. I find it hard to trust anything now - I mean hell, i watched a 70 foot lobster have a go at Manhattan and it looked pretty convincing. William Katt did anti grav 25 years ago

Worst part is, should some poor bloke actually come up with something in the garage, ain't a damn 'real' scientist in the world that would come and see it laugh.gif .



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QUOTE (MacFromOK @ July 22, 2008 12:39 am)
I actually come down on the pro-gravity side of this issue... biggrin.gif

you and every one else on planet


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Posted: July 22, 2008 05:24 am
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QUOTE (CGFxColONeill @ July 21, 2008 07:25 pm)
QUOTE (MacFromOK @ July 22, 2008 12:39 am)
I actually come down on the pro-gravity side of this issue... biggrin.gif

you and every one else on planet

What about the people on the other side of the planet? rolleyes.gif


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Posted: July 22, 2008 06:09 am
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QUOTE (Sch3mat1c @ July 21, 2008 10:24 pm)
QUOTE (CGFxColONeill @ July 21, 2008 07:25 pm)
QUOTE (MacFromOK @ July 22, 2008 12:39 am)
I actually come down on the pro-gravity side of this issue... biggrin.gif

you and every one else on planet

What about the people on the other side of the planet? rolleyes.gif

Or those living on the inside of the planet! Cannot forget that the earth is hollow. blink.gif wacko.gif laugh.gif dry.gif
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Posted: July 22, 2008 04:46 pm
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QUOTE (Sch3mat1c @ July 22, 2008 05:24 am)
QUOTE (CGFxColONeill @ July 21, 2008 07:25 pm)
QUOTE (MacFromOK @ July 22, 2008 12:39 am)
I actually come down on the pro-gravity side of this issue... biggrin.gif

you and every one else on planet

What about the people on the other side of the planet? rolleyes.gif

are they still on planet?
there is your answer tongue.gif


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you read to much Jules Vern lol


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Posted: July 22, 2008 04:49 pm
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Al Gore.
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Pellucidar was supposed to be an interesting place. tongue.gif


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oh maaaannn ...

i am up to page 53 in this book . there seems to be a lot of circular "logic" involved .
one of the more interesting points is the reference to a few different devices , and all you have to do is "connect them up to your free energy generator ..." and you could (among other things) "... travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light ..." or even better , create a wormhole of sorts .
it just gets better and better ! laugh.gif

i looked at the back cover ... seems this guy has a whole series of books along a similar tack .


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Posted: July 23, 2008 04:52 pm
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Have you read another of the big 'con' books? The Bible perhaps (or the Koran - just to give my argument some balance)


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Posted: July 23, 2008 05:42 pm
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QUOTE (kellys_eye @ July 23, 2008 10:52 am)
Have you read another of the big 'con' books? The Bible perhaps (or the Koran - just to give my argument some balance)

"Con"? There are some quality moral lessons in both. Perhaps you could learn some. *poke, prod*


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Posted: July 23, 2008 07:28 pm
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QUOTE (kellys_eye @ July 23, 2008 07:52 am)
Have you read another of the big 'con' books? The Bible perhaps (or the Koran - just to give my argument some balance)

Both are such huge collections of conflicting values that one can 'prove' almost anything from them. Have you actually read the Koran? cool.gif


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Posted: July 23, 2008 07:43 pm
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QUOTE (kellys_eye @ July 23, 2008 04:52 pm)
Have you read another of the big 'con' books? The Bible perhaps (or the Koran - just to give my argument some balance)

Weird...

I've read the Quran. I've also read the Bible many times. I didn't really see the bible as a "con".

I also haven't seen anyone be able to prove "anything" with the Bible...it gets clearer if you really focus on it and try to seek understanding.

Although, if you pull random verses without regard to the whole, it can leave you quite confused.

meh, I'm done. I like this forum without drama. doh.gif
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DEFINITION

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: something (as a ruse) used deceptively to gain another's confidence; also : a confidence game : swindle

TBH I've neither read the bible nor the Koran hence I'm taking the 'ignorance' plea.... however, based on a definition of the word 'con' and from what I've seen. heard, read and/or experienced in life, the Bible et al must surely fall into this category?

Anyway, I have no wish to deflect this thread any further so I'll say as the famous (and funny) comedian said - goodnight, and may your God go with you.... biggrin.gif


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Posted: July 24, 2008 12:15 am
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i have not made a life's study of the bible ... but i have had theological discourse with some rather knowledgeable individuals ... from frenetically fanatical to laid back .

i agree there are conflicting bits . like the old testament being "fire, brimstone and damnation" with a rather authoritarian bent . the new testament is easier going with more of a "by example" tact .

there are some things in there that just aint right ... such as Lot's daughters getting him messed up and then doing the horizontal bop with him .
the bible ; "soft cover , hard core" .

like many other things , if taken too literally and extreme it is bound to produce a negative effect .


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QUOTE (CWB @ July 24, 2008 12:15 am)
i agree there are conflicting bits . like the old testament being "fire, brimstone and damnation" with a rather authoritarian bent . the new testament is easier going with more of a "by example" tact .

there are some things in there that just aint right ... such as Lot's daughters getting him messed up and then doing the horizontal bop with him .
the bible ; "soft cover , hard core" .

like many other things , if taken too literally and extreme it is bound to produce a negative effect .

How is the first part conflicting?

The old testament was before we had salvation and the example on how to live. We had the 10 commandments before, but those were "thou-shall-nots" we did not yet have the "You-shoulds".

Plus, in the Corinthians, Paul stressed that there was a new world order with the coming of Christ, and the old ways of doing things had to be left aside.

As far as the Lot's daughter thing...I think its funny that stuff like that is outrageous when it's in the Bible, but it's nothing that would gather too much of our attention if it was on CNN. They had actual, real-life stuff go on then too.
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I am sure some of you have seen this before but I thought since it is the best solution to anti gravity I have seen to date I would share it lol


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Read about the prophets ascending into heaven in both books and the flying wheels in Ezekiel in the bible.And the strange creatures that came out of the flying wheels.

Check it out on google.

Ascending into the sky?.Is that antigravity or what?.
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Easy for angels to do, they don't weigh anything. wink.gif


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Well. The former USSR lads did not like western science, so they claimed things like:

They invented the airplane
They invented the steam machine
They built the first moving car
They are all first in space

And so on. I have read this stuff myself. They totally ignored Mendel's inheritance laws in biology and created their own, dunno really how these new laws worked. They did not just claim it, it was something you had to install in your head - or you would become a "kulak", an outlaw basically. But nevertheless, USSR science did offer some competition to the other side of the curtain, because the few privileged brains were treated as kings and allowed access to otherwise forbidden info.

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Gagarin was a soviet citizen, last I checked.

That's all morale booster shit anyways. A lot of things claimed to be invented in the US weren't invented there, but some of them were improved and marketed properly, hence the claim, i suppose.


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Funny to read.You don't know anything about russians or USSR.

Edit: Speak for yourself, Leon.

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I can say from personal experience (I have a very good friend who happens to be russian), that almost all of the above claims are completely untrue. In all my time knowing him he has always been polite, friendly, and very civilized in all respects, quite possibly even more so than many others from elsewhere in the world.

Some of your statements above are downright contradictory to what we know to be true. For example:

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So, they, for example, counted astronomy and an astrology for a magic science.


If this is the case it should have been impossible for them to even construct rockets let alone put men into space. The facts speak for themselves.

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leon ... are your quotations from a book , commentary or article ?


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